David and Goliath

[00:00:02] Speaker A: From Westside Church in Bend, Oregon. This is behind the message in this podcast. We take you behind what we teach here at Westside. I am Ben Fleming. [00:00:18] Speaker B: And I'm Evan Earwicker. I appreciated the little head bob dance to our intro music. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Still love this music, do you, after all these years? [00:00:27] Speaker B: Every week. I think, man, we should get some different music. [00:00:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Where do you get it from? [00:00:32] Speaker B: I think this one was like Music Bed or one of those music licensing services. [00:00:37] Speaker A: So you have to buy it off of there. [00:00:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [00:00:39] Speaker B: You license it for whatever the use is. [00:00:41] Speaker A: It's just a bunch of canned stuff. [00:00:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:00:45] Speaker B: That's nice. Yeah. I think a lot of people make a good living, like creating music for creative projects, and this is what they. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Do, I guess, make the short versions. [00:00:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Because for like, commercial. If you're doing a commercial, licensing music can be thousands and thousands of. And some really talented stuff. But, you know, people aren't listening to this to find out about the music license there, are they? [00:01:11] Speaker C: No. [00:01:12] Speaker A: Well, it's really behind the message of the message of the podcast. I know all the way behind the. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Scenes for the Happy Birthday song. I know that was copyrighted, I think, until very recently, like a hundred years. And so no one could use it in, like, TV and film. They were notoriously stingy with the licensing of it. So if you look back through film and TV over the last, like 30 years. [00:01:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:39] Speaker B: No one's ever gonna sing Happy Birthday. They always have to sing a different song during birthdays. [00:01:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:45] Speaker B: For licensing. It's all licensing. [00:01:47] Speaker A: What's the song? When do I infringe on that? I'm making a movie. Can I go to you? And is that the song? [00:01:56] Speaker B: I don't. [00:01:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:57] Speaker A: At what point? [00:01:57] Speaker B: How much of the song. [00:01:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Is too much? [00:02:00] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know. [00:02:01] Speaker A: I was at a trivia night recently and one of the questions was name the top three most sung songs in North America. And it was Auld Lang Syne, Happy Birthday and For He's a Jolly Good Fellow. Right. [00:02:21] Speaker B: How are they tracking the singing of. [00:02:23] Speaker A: He's a Jolly Good Fellow? [00:02:24] Speaker B: Do they have monitors in the kinds of places where people are saying, oh, that's what I'm saying. Let's sing it again. [00:02:30] Speaker A: How do we know? [00:02:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:34] Speaker B: And then when does the tracking start? [00:02:36] Speaker A: Well, we sang it three times as we went through the chorus. Yeah, I know. [00:02:40] Speaker B: 99 bottles of beer on the Wall, One of the most popular songs. [00:02:45] Speaker A: Have you ever gotten far in that, by the way? Like on our road trip or something? [00:02:49] Speaker B: That's a Great question. Honestly, it's been a few years since I've. [00:02:52] Speaker A: Since you've gone all the way through. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Busted that song out. [00:02:57] Speaker A: See, we bemoan the expansion of technology all the time. But then I think specifically about road trips and some of the things that we. They are not great. Guys singing 99 bottles of beer, playing the ABC game all the way down the road off the site. You guys, these were not that great. [00:03:13] Speaker B: They're all gone. Now it's just iPads and audiobooks, which. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Is kind of awesome. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Would you. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Would you guys. Did you guys listen to something on road trips? Was there like a family tape cd? No. [00:03:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think we. We would listen to Adventures in Odyssey we were just talking about. [00:03:33] Speaker A: You would? [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yeah, Yeah. [00:03:35] Speaker A: I almost specifically just think of that in animated, like, form. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. We were primarily the. You could buy the books of tapes and then eventually CDs, but tapes mostly. And they would come in like this plasticky, like folder thing that you open up and then the tapes would be stuck in there. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I know. The plastic. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I can pick your tape. And I always had favorite episodes. And the episodes, you're like, ugh, this one again, the pacing is not right on this one, Lindsay. [00:04:06] Speaker D: I would read. I'd read books in the backseat. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Yeah, you can do that without getting sick. [00:04:11] Speaker D: No, I can't anymore. I can't even look down at my phone without getting sick in the car. But back when I was a kid, yeah, I would just read chapter books. [00:04:19] Speaker A: I could read. I would read Calvin and Hobbes in the back of the van all the time. And then we had a big Winnie the Pooh book. Chronicles of Narnia, kind of the classic stuff. But then we would listen to. We listen to Garrison Keillor, Perry Home Companion. Ever listen to Garrison Keeler, Lindsay? No, I think I lost you on that one. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:39] Speaker D: Did my eyes glaze over? [00:04:40] Speaker A: He's like a comic storyteller. [00:04:41] Speaker D: Okay. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Like they're long form stories that he does. He performs them live. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a live radio show. Performed. [00:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Like in a theater. [00:04:49] Speaker A: And they're long stories about Lake Wobegon, his hometown, which is not a real place. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Fantastic storytelling. Really funny. [00:05:00] Speaker B: We started listening as adults, like freshly married. We started oddly listening to Garrison Keiller. [00:05:08] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:05:09] Speaker B: So not as. Not like because of my parents. Just. Yeah, we were 20 somethings. Being like Garrison Keeler. That's our guy then. Yeah, he got me tooed. So that did. [00:05:19] Speaker A: Oh, did he didn't end well for Garrison. Yeah, well, I'm glad you added that before. [00:05:24] Speaker B: You're like. And he is my role model in all things. [00:05:28] Speaker A: I literally don't know a single about the guy, with the exception of we grew up with tapes. [00:05:34] Speaker B: And actually Justin is switching for us. Hi, Justin. And you might know this fact. The person that took over for Garrison Keiller is Chris Thiele from Nickel Creek. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. So Nickel Creek was One of those CDs that was in the van, too. That was one of, like, six that were just kind of in rotation. Point of grace. [00:05:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:56] Speaker A: Nickel Creek. Wow. 95. [00:05:59] Speaker B: Sure. I think that was probably peak of the wows. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. 95, 96. [00:06:06] Speaker B: It became a cash grab after that. Although. [00:06:08] Speaker A: Wow. [00:06:08] Speaker B: Worship. Probably 2000 with one of my favorite early worship songs, which was the Lord is My Light and My Salvation, Whom Shall I Fear? The Lord is my light and my. [00:06:22] Speaker D: Salvation, Whom shall I Fear? [00:06:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Okay. Dun, dun, dun, dun. [00:06:29] Speaker C: Right, okay. Yeah. [00:06:31] Speaker A: I think Inside out was on that one. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Was it? [00:06:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker D: Hillsong. [00:06:35] Speaker A: The Hillsong one. The Joel Houston. I think that was the first time I had heard that song was when they were. When they. When it got on. [00:06:42] Speaker B: I think the first Hillsong record I ever had or heard was probably Best Friend, the green, neon green and white record. [00:06:49] Speaker C: Huh. [00:06:49] Speaker B: With Jesus. You are my best friend, you will always be. Nothing will ever change that might. Was Inside out on that record. [00:06:58] Speaker D: No. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Was the record. I think. [00:07:02] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:07:03] Speaker A: No. My first Hillsong was. I just remember the art of the Hillsong script. When. Then Darlene Check was always raising her hands or a microphone or something. And I think she was on the CD itself and on the album cover. [00:07:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Almost always. [00:07:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Or maybe was it Ben Fielding? [00:07:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:24] Speaker A: The guy who did God is Great in his praise. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Reuben Morgan was a big name back in the day. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Maybe it was Ruben Morgan that was on the COVID That was actually. Now that you say it, yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker B: That's a good question. But it was Shout to the Lord and then God Is in the House, I think was the second record or Let the Peace of God Reign. Anyway, now I'm just guessing. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Yeah, Root Work is a good one. [00:07:49] Speaker B: That's funny. The last one I'll mention is the CD that I would listen to on road trips. I remember specifically driving to Idaho, listening to Crystal Lewis Beauty for Ashes on a CD man in the car. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Oh, a CD man in the car. [00:08:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Nice. [00:08:06] Speaker B: And the song, if you remember it, is beautiful. Ashes, Strength for Fear. So this is the story. I might get the details wrong, but at the time, my oldest brother had been very involved in church and then was kind of not. Not as engaged in his faith anymore. And my middle brother, who we all know and works here at Brent, would do Bible studies in their shared apartment. And so as an evangelistic tool to hopefully loop our older brother back into the faith, they. During one terrible. Brent, during one of their Bible studies, they decided that they. Because my oldest brother was getting home from work, and it's like, you know, what we should do is we should have him come into the middle and we'll pray for him, and we're going to have him sing a worship song. [00:09:00] Speaker A: You're going to have him sing the one you're bringing back into the full. Of course. [00:09:04] Speaker B: And so this is how the story is in my mind again. The details might be fuzzy, but they brought my oldest brother back in, sat him in the middle, and had him perform and sing Beautiful Ashes. Strange. I don't know if he was snapping or not. [00:09:18] Speaker A: I hope he was. [00:09:18] Speaker B: I hope he was snappy. [00:09:21] Speaker A: Did you use the word intervention? Why did he do it? [00:09:23] Speaker D: You just say, no. [00:09:25] Speaker B: He is a generous soul who wants to, you know, wants to do what you want him to do. [00:09:30] Speaker A: That story encapsulates so much of that era of Christianity, between the music and. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Then kind of the performative intervention and Brent's general personality to this day, his general personality. We shouldn't. I shouldn't sell people out on this podcast. It's not the place Brent. [00:09:49] Speaker A: He talks about it open. I think we all have done our own. [00:09:54] Speaker B: In a future episode, we'll bring him in to set the record straight on what actually happened. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, let's do that. [00:09:59] Speaker C: Okay. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Put a. Put a pin in this one. [00:10:01] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:10:02] Speaker A: Before we move on to David and Goliath, Lindsay, when we first started this podcast many years ago, one of our first episodes was Greatest Worship Songs of All Time. Do you have a greatest worship song of All Time? It's a tough one to put you on. I know, I know. And you could go a lot of different ways, right? You could go influential, like Shout to the Lord Comes to Me. [00:10:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:10:25] Speaker A: Great song. But it was also the first of that, like, mega bridge kind of. I think it changed worship music, Right? So you could go that route or you could go favorite one to sing or listen to. Do you. [00:10:37] Speaker D: I was going to say Shout to the Lord, because I think that is probably, like, for most people our age, our generation, that was a very formative song. You're right. It changed worship moving forward. [00:10:48] Speaker C: Forward. [00:10:49] Speaker D: So gosh I don't know. I'm very much put on the spot. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Do hymns belong in this conversation? [00:10:54] Speaker B: That's a different conversation. Yeah. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Not a worship song. [00:10:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:57] Speaker B: I mean, if you're talking about worship songs, I'd like a shout out to the Lord. Not even just for our age. It was a. It was such a. It just created. I think it started the worship movement as we have known it, you know, which is completely different from hymns that, like, you know, have been sung throughout church history. You know, going way back. [00:11:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Three, four, 500 years, but awesome. [00:11:22] Speaker D: God. Rich Mullins. [00:11:24] Speaker C: That was a big one. [00:11:24] Speaker D: That's a good one. [00:11:25] Speaker C: Huge. [00:11:27] Speaker B: And just the most unsingable, weird verses. [00:11:30] Speaker D: It's true, that chorus only. [00:11:32] Speaker B: Chorus only. [00:11:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:33] Speaker A: It gave permission to drummers for the first time in church. If you had drums this time to. To kick snare. Right. To cut the music and doom. [00:11:47] Speaker C: You. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Know, that was the first. I remember that ever happening on an album that we could listen to. Oh, my gosh. Look at the drummer, like, doing, like, the solo kind of a thing, you know? Look at that. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Yep. [00:12:00] Speaker B: When he rolled up his sleeves, he ain't just putting on the Ritz. [00:12:03] Speaker A: What is that line? [00:12:03] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:12:10] Speaker A: No, my dad loved that line. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Really? I don't know what it means. [00:12:14] Speaker A: I don't get it. [00:12:15] Speaker D: Is it because it's kind of cheeky? It's kind of funny? [00:12:17] Speaker A: I think so. It's like he's not just pretending, right? Like, that's. He's not just making up this and. [00:12:25] Speaker B: Hold on. Is that the opening line of that song? [00:12:27] Speaker D: Oh, my God. [00:12:28] Speaker A: It's the opening of a verse. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but is it verse? [00:12:31] Speaker A: I mean, I think it is. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Rich. What a bold move, bro. [00:12:37] Speaker A: That was a full, like, choir behind. Right. That would come in for the. The between the verses or between the lines in the verse. Oh, you're just putting on the Ritz. Oh, God. Is an awesome. [00:12:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:12:52] Speaker D: It is the first opening line. [00:12:56] Speaker B: That's how you know when someone is riding solo. No one is. No one is saying, that's a good idea. Or, ah, let's keep going. He just committed, man. [00:13:04] Speaker A: And he said, this is the reason I get to write solo for the rest of my life. [00:13:08] Speaker C: Right. [00:13:08] Speaker A: What else? What other? Big. Big. Why can I not think of Big Rich Mullins right now? [00:13:14] Speaker B: Not step by step. It's sometimes by step. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Sometimes by step. Okay. I legitimately love that one. [00:13:20] Speaker B: That's a beautiful song. [00:13:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:22] Speaker B: And there's no talk of Ritz. Yeah. [00:13:26] Speaker A: The Brook Frazier. Sometimes by Step the, like, incense that she did a little while ago. I think that one. I think it got lost because I think people felt like it wasn't super singable congregationally. I love that version. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Give me the verse of Sometimes by Step. [00:13:46] Speaker A: I can't remember the verse. I can actually remember The Brooke Fraser 1. The May My prayer thy consents rise before you Giving a man's a sacrifice so good. I can't remember the verses. Was there a verse? [00:14:02] Speaker D: I'm literally reading the lyrics. I have no idea how it goes. [00:14:05] Speaker C: Okay. [00:14:05] Speaker B: Read the lyrics. What do they say? [00:14:07] Speaker D: Go back. Sometimes the night was beautiful. [00:14:10] Speaker B: Sometimes the night was beautiful. Sometimes the day was. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Are you making it up? [00:14:16] Speaker C: No. [00:14:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:18] Speaker B: We wouldn't know. [00:14:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Maybe immediately we were just ripping off the chorus of that. Nobody was singing the words. [00:14:24] Speaker B: Rich Mullen's line I've always loved. [00:14:25] Speaker C: I thought. [00:14:26] Speaker B: I think it's very well written, is, I'm shaking like a leaf. You have been king of mine. [00:14:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Now would you be my prince piece? [00:14:36] Speaker C: Yes. [00:14:36] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. That's all Rich Mullens. [00:14:38] Speaker B: That's all Rich Mullen. [00:14:39] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:14:39] Speaker A: One of the funny things when we talk about these songs, I see the overheads for the projector. I can see, like, my mom's handwriting at the top of the overheads that we would use. [00:14:50] Speaker B: That's amazing. Sweet. That's so amazing. [00:14:53] Speaker A: Awesome. God was in blue. It was one of the only ones that was in blue. I'm not really sure why. [00:14:56] Speaker C: Great. Yeah. [00:14:57] Speaker B: Rich Mullins. So before he was killed, because he was killed in an auto accident, but he basically sold all of his possessions and he moved out to a reservation and just lived among the Native American population. [00:15:15] Speaker C: Really. [00:15:15] Speaker B: I think in New Mexico. Was it New Mexico? Arizona? Arizona, maybe. Anyway. But yeah, he was just, like, all in, you know. [00:15:24] Speaker C: Huh. [00:15:25] Speaker B: I didn't know that he had. [00:15:26] Speaker A: For Rich Mullens, he had to make a ton of money, too. I mean, he's one of what, four artists at the time that were making Christian music with that much regularity and that much popularity. [00:15:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:37] Speaker B: I mean, going back to the royalty conversation. [00:15:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Just on, you know. Awesome. God, it was probably crazy. [00:15:43] Speaker A: Sure. [00:15:43] Speaker B: Everybody was singing that. [00:15:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Yeah. There was like six songs any of us were singing that weren't hymns. Yeah. And that was one of them. [00:15:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:50] Speaker A: That's. I mean, I bet we could tie in. Putting on the Ritz and pulling up his sleeves to David and Goliath. There seems to be a great tie in somewhere in there. It's a little violent. [00:16:03] Speaker B: I appreciate. Ben, when you Segue. You know, I'm just going to keep talking and not shut up. And you're like, we've got to segue to some actual conversation. [00:16:12] Speaker A: Here's the thing. And I do want the listener to know these are my favorite conversations. I can talk about it forever. [00:16:18] Speaker B: To your credit, we're 16 minutes in. [00:16:20] Speaker A: I know. [00:16:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:21] Speaker A: It's really awesome. [00:16:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker A: I love these conversations. I can listen to them for hours with other people. It's my favorite kind of podcast. I do feel responsible to, like, maybe Justin in the room, who's like, dear goodness, let's. Let's get to some of the rap this. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Yeah, he's giving us the rap side. We're just starting, Justin. [00:16:40] Speaker A: So it was interesting. We talked about two different ways you could potentially go about teaching David and Goliath. There was like this pre David and Goliath battle, being called by God, being found in kind of an unassuming manner, and somehow becoming king. And then we talked about the post, like the not much of a hero David, who did a lot of weird and gross stuff the older that he got. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And let's explain what we mean, because people might. What do you mean? Weird and gross? But, you know, he has Bathsheba's husband killed so he couldn't marry her. It does not turn out well. He ends up losing the kingdom to his son Absalom, and then his son is killed by his men, and it's really messy. And then by the end of his life, he does some weird stuff, like on his deathbed. And so there's these moments where he's not this, like, shining hero of the faith as much as maybe these early days with David and Goliath. [00:17:43] Speaker A: And both of those are super compelling. And especially we were talking about. Because the entire idea behind this series is that these old stories that we have at their very, very, very best show us that we need a savior and a champion. You ended up bringing that in to the conversation as well, but not really from the not so much a hero perspective. But you kind of stuck with the story. It's a very behind the message conversation. Specific. But why? Why pivot that way? [00:18:11] Speaker B: Well, yeah, just as I was thinking through, trying to, you know, talk through the entire story of David or the whole life of David with all the complexities of, you know, his rise from obscurity in the pasture to then he kills Goliath, to then he becomes one of Saul's guys, to then that falling out that happens, and then he's on the run, and then he has the chance to kill Saul and he doesn't. And then, you know, Saul dies and then he becomes king. Like, by the time you get even halfway through that story, you're out of time. You know, on a Sunday morning, you said there's. [00:18:46] Speaker A: He has more ink dedicated to him in scripture than anybody. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Anybody besides Jesus. [00:18:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:52] Speaker B: He's that interesting of a character. I mean, we could spend months, we could spend a whole year on a character study, the life of David. So knowing that, I just, I felt like, no, we're going to talk about David and Goliath specifically focus on that story. Just because you know the realities of. Got 25 minutes. [00:19:09] Speaker A: Sure. [00:19:09] Speaker B: And you do some silly intro. You got about 22 minutes. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Right. [00:19:13] Speaker B: By the way, I did. I'm about to win against you in fantasy football, which I did not think was happen. [00:19:18] Speaker A: And the church is so happy. [00:19:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:20] Speaker A: And who doesn't? [00:19:20] Speaker B: Like, I asked them to pray. I asked them to pray. [00:19:23] Speaker A: The funny thing is though, is your fantasy team's really good. I. You weren't an underdog coming into the game yesterday. For sure. Maybe football mind. [00:19:31] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:19:32] Speaker B: Which that actually does play into some of the content I brought in about how David is famously the underdog compared to Goliath. And that is true when you look at size and strength, but when you look at battlefield advantage in the way that David approaches Goliath, actually Malcolm Gladwell makes the case that the advantage is so strongly in David's court. Right. David has all the advantages as an expert marksman with his sling approaching at a distance. He's got speed, he's got agility. The only thing Goliath can do is hand to hand combat. And in hand to hand combat, he would have absolutely destroyed David. But David changes the rules of the game. And I kind of talked about that. How if we want to approach our giants on their terms, we're going to lose, but God invites us into something different. [00:20:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:24] Speaker A: It is. Just from a competition standpoint, I wonder why somebody didn't raise the flag on this. This kid's got a ranged attack and we're allowing this to be the duel. Like, that's ridiculous. Who does that? [00:20:38] Speaker B: Honestly, it's the ant man effect. Right. Like it's this little guy that can just zip around and get you. Which I didn't say. [00:20:47] Speaker A: But you're right in that culturally, especially as the two armies stand opposite each other for however long. And the fear that everybody has comes from the idea that they're locked into a certain set of rules. Right. Because if somebody else would have thought of this, and maybe somebody did, but it didn't come up in the way that it came up with David. Then maybe somebody else would have won or expressed the boldness or whatever, but they were looking through it. The lens, a very narrow lens of this is how this has to go. This is how this match has to happen. And maybe by some miracle, someone could kill Goliath with a sword, but it's not gonna be me. I'm not gonna take a shot at it. And to have the perspective to pull up and look and say, there's a better way, there's a different way, which ultimately is. Was kind of the point of the message that I took away was that Jesus is like the biggest version of this, that there's all these rules and all of these. These histories, and it seems like it has to go in a certain direction. And then Jesus changes the rules. That's the idea, right? [00:21:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:46] Speaker B: And to skip over any of the obvious inspirational takeaways that we can apply personally from that story as far as what it looks like to have courage in the face of fear, what it looks like to trust in God when we are up against impossible odds, all those. I think to just ignore that and jump right to Jesus as our champion, I felt like we needed to spend some time looking at those pretty obvious and clear takeaways for our own lives when we face giants. But then to acknowledge that where Jesus is found in the story is in the fact that oftentimes we come up against giants that we are unable to have courage in the face of. We come up with giants that are too big for us. We have things that we just. Our faith isn't strong enough to hold up. And because of Jesus, we have a champion who goes for us into that battle and faces those giants and faces down the things that can actually kill us. Sin and death and the grave. And this is really the story of the coming of Jesus as told through the lens of the Old Testament, is when our way and our faith and our trust in God run short. We come to this place where we can't do it without a savior, and that's where Jesus steps in and goes into the valley for us. [00:23:00] Speaker A: It gives a lot of hope in the face of foregone conclusions. [00:23:05] Speaker C: Right. [00:23:05] Speaker A: I think that was maybe one of the subtext or the feelings that I got from yesterday. There are a lot of things in life that, depending on what you're going through, what you've been through before, you kind of play out these results in your head of, well, this happened and this happened. And I know how this goes. It's a foregone conclusion that we end up in. And that's a huge encouragement to think nothing has to be rote or obvious or we don't have to continue to go down this road. And sometimes I've noticed the older I get, the harder it is to, like, stop long enough and pull out of that narrative. Whether it's my thought about someone else, where I go, I see that person. I've heard them speak on this, this, this. Okay. That's who they are, and that's this little box that I'm going to put them in. It's a foregone conclusion. And not only do I put that on other people, I can put that on myself in my own situation. And, yeah, this pulls you out of that and encourages you to have hope, I think. And maybe that's one of the greatest takeaways of the whole thing, is that, David, out of nowhere, it's like hope arrives with this crazy level of expertise. And it is exactly right for the moment. [00:24:18] Speaker C: Right. [00:24:18] Speaker A: It's not just right, period. It's right for this moment in time. [00:24:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:23] Speaker B: And the possibility that what we assume is going to happen isn't necessarily what will happen. I think, like you're saying that's the nature of hope, is that we don't know. We don't know what's going to happen next. And that can either create a lot of fear or it can create a lot of hope. And as people who believe in Jesus and people of faith, I think it tips the scales towards hope, or it should. [00:24:51] Speaker C: Right. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Not knowing. And this is where. In Pentecostal circles, which. Our church is part of a Pentecostal denomination. What I think sometimes we get wrong is this desire to almost know the future or have it told to us in a way that will just kind of spell everything out. And I understand there's ways that the prophetic word can lead us towards what God is doing at some point in the future. That's wonderful and great, but this idea that I want to know. I want to know how things turn out to make it easier on my faith. I think that's backwards. It's what we don't know. And that we put hope in that, I think, stirs up a sense of reliance on Jesus. [00:25:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker A: We want the prophetic word so that our hope feels like it has really sure footing. That's not really how hope works all the time, though. [00:25:45] Speaker C: Right. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Maybe it even rarely works like that. Knowing exactly. Not just the outcome, but how I remember that was a big part of the prophetic movement growing up. It wasn't as. I think we can all kind of agree on this generalized how everything's going to end up. You know, Jesus is going to come back and redeem the world. And, you know, there's kind of these big picture ideas that across Christianity we can agree on, but it was always the how we want to know how we want to know. When we just passed another rapture time, which I missed again, I didn't even know this one was happening. [00:26:18] Speaker B: TikTok or rapture talk, I guess was. Was hopping with this talk specifically. [00:26:23] Speaker A: TikTok. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Jesus was coming back at a specific time last week, right? [00:26:26] Speaker D: Yeah, it was last week. It was all over. TikTok. [00:26:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Why? [00:26:31] Speaker A: It's this hope thing, right? Do you think it's. It comes back to hope or control? I don't know. TikTok specifically, you know, never know how these seeds are planted. But what is that? [00:26:39] Speaker D: I don't know. My assumption would be control. We like to have control or we like to be convinced we have control we never had and we never will have. Yeah. Just to have that feeling, especially now, you know, in the global climate, climate of our country, like to have something anchoring you that you can say, I'm certain of this, that is powerful for the psyche and our consciousness, like our attitudes, that goes a really long way, you know. [00:27:11] Speaker B: And a desire for control is a desire to live a life without faith. [00:27:16] Speaker C: Right. [00:27:17] Speaker B: We've talked about this in terms of certainty. We want certainty so we don't actually have to have faith because faith is hard. And so just give me certainty not only about what I believe, but also give me certainty about the future and what's going to happen next. And wouldn't that be nice? Then we can live by sight and not by faith. And this whole thing is about the opposite, the whole thing. [00:27:41] Speaker A: And I am not opposed to the movement of the prophetic. I think of. The prophetic is different now. I think of prophets helping change the heart of people to turn back toward God as the greatest function of the prophet and not to tell the future. Right. And maybe it's pop culture that over a certain amount of time that word prophet changed completely into no, we got to tell you what's going to happen over the next five, six, seven years. I'm kind of over that happening. I think it can happen, and if it happens, it's great. I know that there was a moment in the movement that I was growing up in where it's like that was the king of all things that could happen inside of a service. I don't need it to happen anymore. I don't need to know. I think if God's going to make it happen, and we'll talk about this a little bit with Jonah and the whale in the next while. If God needs to make it happen, then great, but I just don't need that anymore. And sometimes I go back and forth between, well, I'm kind of sad and no, I've matured a little bit of my faith and, well, faith. There you go. Maybe that's the. Maybe that's the thing. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Maybe because the prophets in the Old Testament, even, they're speaking as kind of a mouthpiece, right, of what God is wanting to say to the nation or neighboring nations or kings or whatever. Sometimes, yeah. That is speaking to very specific things that will happen in the future. But oftentimes it's not. It's speaking to rebuke or correct something that's currently happening. It's speaking a vision of a preferred future, but not in a prediction kind of way, but instead saying, this is what God wants from you or this is what God has for you. And if it ever boils down, you know, in our day to think like, well, God's going to speak through people in our services or in our churches to tell us, you know, the outcome of an election or to tell us how this is going to go or that's going to go, that feels more like this fortune telling, you know, back to the future with the sports almanac style. Like, if we could just know, then we can. We can really get ahead. And I just don't know that God is interested in leading his church in that way to where we're fortune tellers going around like, having the inside track on the outcome of the next thing, you know. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Thinking of Christians as Biff now. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I've met some Christian guys for sure. Remind me of death. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I think that's exactly right. And what Drew made me feel a little suspicious sometimes in that again, wasn't that people could have a prophetic word. I noticed that we never had the bad ones. There's a lot of bad ones, tough ones in the Old Testament prophets that, yeah, maybe they start with, eventually it's going to be, you're going to live here and it's going to be like this. And there's a lot of them that are like, but first famine for a really long time and people are going to die and, you know, you're going to go into exile and there's. We never had those ones. It was never like, wildfires are going to come and then this is going to happen. It was that. That's something that relates also to this life of David in here is. It's. The prophets were so in tune to this big, larger grand plan that God had, and the writers of scripture with David were so in tune with this massive story. It's not just a long story. It's a very complic. The Bible is so honest about David. He probably could have used a little bit more positive propaganda, you know, but it's brutally honest. And I'm always really impressed with the Bible when it relates to that. There's not a lot of shaving off of the edges necessarily of the story. [00:31:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:37] Speaker B: So if you think, like, the antihero type is something that, you know, television executives made up recently with Breaking Bad or whatever, I think we talked about this. But no, like, the Bible's been. Been very honestly looking at characters from the beginning and even going back to the Noah story. You know, what I didn't get to in the Noah story was as soon as he gets off the boat, he gets, like, crazy drunk and rolls around naked and shames his whole family, and his son is like, oh, dad, what are you doing? And yikes. That's not good. That doesn't fit the mural on the Sunday school classroom wall. I hope not. Naked. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Jonah, Noah, Noah. You did it again. You did it again. Can you imagine? [00:32:28] Speaker B: I like the. [00:32:29] Speaker A: As the kids get older, it just gets more and more honest as the murals get more and more honest. Y. Jonah's cursing God and angry about his big leaf that died. [00:32:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Begging to die under his. Anyway. Yeah. No, I think there's real messiness in the narrative, and we don't want to shy away from that or present a false take on how the Bible's laid out, because it all matters. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Why is it there? Why is it like that, do you think? [00:32:59] Speaker B: Why is it so gritty? [00:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we've even talked about how so much of scripture was written down for posterity in Babylonian exile. And these are people that, like, could have some motives to shave off the rough edges, and they don't. That epilogue of Noah is crazy. And you could have left it out, you know, but they didn't. [00:33:23] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:33:24] Speaker A: Why is it like that? [00:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Abraham, you know, basically selling off his wife to the Egyptian king because he thinks it's a good, you know, like, these terrible, really revealing things. And I take it as, you know, It's a reflection of the commitment of the scribes and the authors who are writing this stuff down to tell. An honest reflection of both the narrative and the time in which these narratives took place. This is not a nice, pleasant utopia kind of world that these stories are coming from. It's a violent, brutal, messy, kind of terrifying place that's happening, you know. And again, this points to our need for Messiah to come. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah, there's these little pieces that they do well and they're representative little bits of the story. And if you're following with us on Sundays, you can find these little pieces that are like, ooh, that's part of the Jesus story. It's. They covered the lion's den for Daniel with a big stone, you know, and there's, there's these little elements of it and all of these heroes do something really well that's reflective of Jesus. And then there's this swing in the other direction that points even further to Jesus saying, see, even your best can't quite get there. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Which is, I hope this comes out throughout this whole series. That is. What's so beautiful is we talk about David and how we need a champion to face down our giants. And when we look at the life of David, what we don't need is David. Like, he can't do it. He can't get the job done. He can't stay pure. He can't hang in there without taking these wild swings into violence or anger or murder or whatever. So we need a better David. And you know what, we have one in Jesus. And so that's. I hope the point is when we look at these stories, we don't just say, so we need a leader like David. Well, no, that's not what we need. We need a better David and we need Jesus. And I hope that comes out in the later two services. I didn't tie this in in the 8 o' clock service, I don't think, but one of, one of my favorite tie ins with the David and Goliath story was just picturing David writing the 23rd Psalm after the he faces Goliath because he's reflecting on what prepared him for. For that moment. You know, the Lord is my shepherd and what he learned about God in those days. But then he gets to the last few verses where he says, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I won't be afraid, you're with me. And I was imagining David remembering looking down into that valley as he's about to set out to potentially die. But Having this confidence of like, I'm not alone in the valley. And that was really the pastoral invitation, I think, yesterday. Not to the 815. They got no pastoral invitation, but the last two services got it. But which is this idea of, like, if you're facing a giant and looking into a valley and you don't know how it's going to turn out, like, you have a better David. He's going there before you even get there. [00:36:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:36] Speaker B: And what a invitation. [00:36:38] Speaker A: David's at his best, I think, as a really honest poet. He's iffy as a king. Certainly if he is a husband or a father, he has an honest poet. I think the older I get, again, the more thankful I am for the Psalms than ever. He allows you to ride this wave. Really honestly, of I was enraged or I was afraid and I ran and I was a coward, and you saw me and you rescued me and you pulled me out of whatever I was in. And that is, again, the honesty piece of the whole thing. The fact that he gives us the artistry of the valley, of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil. What an incredible, complicated, difficult. I know I'm kind of returning to the point again and again. But that's pretty special that we get to experience that and see that in the ancient context. Because there's not many things that I relate to more in scripture than that wave of fear and emotion and elation and victory and sadness and wondering. It's all the human experience that's right in there. And David lets us in on it. [00:37:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:49] Speaker B: He's saying, you know, why do the wicked prosper? Like, I don't think any of this matters. Because, look, the righteous and the wicked, they get treated the same from you, God, what is going on? And then a few verses later, he's like, as the deer pants for the water, so my soul longs for you. You know, it's like, David's complicated, and many things can be true about him. He can be frustrated and completely feeling like he's missing God and doesn't understand at all. At the same time, he can say, I love your instruction. I love your log. Ha. I need to be in your house. And I think we like to distill things down and put people in boxes of, either you're a good guy or you're a bad guy, or you're on my team, or you're not on my team. You're part of the tribe, you're not part of the tribe. And just look at these characters. They're all over the map. And yet somehow their stories last and we find resonance with that. [00:38:49] Speaker C: Cool. [00:38:50] Speaker A: I wonder if there was a lot of fallout after the death of David, and the kingdom moves on to others of kind of sadness. We talk about presidents and leaders and stuff that we have in our. And there's so much hope, whether, you know, I would agree with exactly what you're hoping for or not or who you want elected. There's so much that goes into it, and then they all go away, and then things are not fixed. And the story of these nations with God specifically, I mean, judges talks about, you know, we want a king. Give us a king. Give us a king. Give us king. God's like, this is not a good idea. I know you want a king. Like all the other nations, they're bad. This doesn't work out. And then David's, like, pushing. He. His presence is like pushing all the chips into the center of the table and being like, finally, yes, we had people that built up the high places, didn't tear them down. Were good ones, bad ones. But now David. [00:39:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:45] Speaker A: And then David dies, and it's like, huh, yeah, things are still tough. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Right? [00:39:49] Speaker A: And we're still trying to sort this out. [00:39:51] Speaker B: And, yeah. I wonder. And you remember that God spoke to David and said, you don't get to build the temple. David wanted to. [00:40:00] Speaker C: Right. [00:40:01] Speaker B: And I think the line that he says in prayer, he says, how is it that I live in a palace of cedar and you live in a tent? [00:40:11] Speaker C: God. [00:40:13] Speaker B: And God just says, nope, it's not going to be you to do this. And then, of course, with Solomon building the temple. So there is this generational thing where maybe this speaks again to the gritty reality of the story is David didn't get to do all the stuff, you know, he lived so large in all these stories, and yet the crowning achievement for him late in life would have been to get to build the temple. [00:40:42] Speaker C: Right. [00:40:43] Speaker B: God's man after God's own heart, and he built God's temple. And God was like, nope, that's gonna. Your son can do that, not you. And it's just there's this. This push and pull, and it's never like, you think, I guess. [00:40:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:56] Speaker B: And it's kind of cool. [00:40:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's never. And it actually does give me hope. In our current context, I think about all the kings of the United States, the presidents that we've had, you know, how legendary in my childhood, it sounded like Reagan was, you know, and he was the crowning achievement of, especially the Republican Party. And Then I remember Obama getting elected, and it was like this massive euphoric. [00:41:22] Speaker B: Finally, hope and change. Yeah. [00:41:24] Speaker A: For so many things, you know, And I know a lot of people have put that on Trump now. And the wheels of time continue to turn, you know, and there's ups and downs, there's high places, and then there's tearing them down. And I think one way would be to look at it and go see, this all sucks. It's very ecclesiastes. Like, time is just going to eat away at all these things, and there's just going to be destruction. It doesn't really matter. I think the hopefulness is we've been here before. It's David, and it's Solomon and it's Saul, and it's a familiar story that will continue to be violent and difficult and complicated, and we should show up in these places. But God has been faithful through all those things, too. [00:42:06] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:42:08] Speaker B: I brought up miracle on ice, 1980 Men's hockey team that beat the Soviet Union. Didn't get much of response. So I didn't talk about it at the time. I was excited about it. But it's a good reminder of, like, that was a huge, huge deal, obviously before we were born. But, I mean, in the moment, there would have been no, like, bigger clap line than talking about Miracle on Ice. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:42:33] Speaker B: You know, and granted, I picked some really, really terrible examples of David and Goliath stories. [00:42:41] Speaker A: I thought Babe was great. I'm in on Babe. [00:42:43] Speaker B: I think by the end, I was like, I just brought up Babe so I could do the Bahram U thing, and it just felt like a cheap knockoff of the things that you've been doing lately, the movies and the singing. And I was like, oh, I want to try that, too. And then I quoted a Babe, the pig, dude. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Bahramu is a great quote. You have to put that in there. And you did it. [00:43:03] Speaker B: I did. People talk about, like, you know, indulgent preachers that, like, need to cut it out. And I was like, oh, this is so being so indulgent. [00:43:12] Speaker A: People complain about indulgent preachers, and I understand why. But also, that crowd wants, like, an invitation to feel a little bit lighter sometimes, too, so the crowd asks for it. I. I personally think, yeah, right, Lindsey, Is that right? [00:43:28] Speaker D: Yes, I would agree. An appropriately placed comedic break is nice sometimes on a Sunday morning. [00:43:35] Speaker C: Yes, Yes. [00:43:36] Speaker A: I ask you because you're just so much more professional than I am, Lindsay. And so I can be an indulgent preacher. [00:43:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker B: To your credit, Ben I think oftentimes the crowd is absolutely laughing with you, and I think they're awkwardly laughing around whatever I'm saying sometimes. So you sing Veggie T or, you know, A Whole New World, and like, ah, that's hilarious. [00:43:59] Speaker A: That guy's so funny. [00:44:01] Speaker B: I quote Babe the Pig, and people like, oh, yikes, I'm gonna laugh. So it's not quite as cringy in here. [00:44:07] Speaker A: I loved Babe, but, no, you're right. There's like. Yeah, that would have been the biggest thing. It was the biggest thing. It was the. It wasn't a hockey game. It was the defeat of communism. Right. [00:44:19] Speaker B: You know, it represented something crazy. [00:44:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:23] Speaker A: And you talk to, I don't know, anybody under the age of 30, and their understanding of communism would sound a lot different. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Even than certainly than our parents. The world has shifted and changed so much, and that's not that long ago. 1980 is just not that long ago. And, yeah, everything continues to turn and God stays faithful and leaders are going to continue to let us down and lift us up, and we're going to keep riding this wave, and hopefully, you know, we can be reminded that Jesus is with us. [00:44:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:54] Speaker B: And the story of Saul and David and Solomon, it should remind us we always want a king. We always want them to lead us in such a way that solves all of our problems, and in the end, they will all fail us. [00:45:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:45:07] Speaker B: And so we just got to keep going back to Jesus and put our hope where it could be held. You know, we put our hope on leaders and people, and they're fallible and they're problematic and things crumble and fall. And our hope is that when we put our faith and our hope and reliance on Jesus, it won't fail. Maybe that's the bigger point. [00:45:31] Speaker A: It's part of the goal for us to not be narcissistic about our own, ourselves and our own spot in time and our own greatness. I think we feel exceptional. Every generation has somehow felt like, no, but this leader that we elect and we put into power, that's different than all the other ones. [00:45:49] Speaker B: I think we were talking through the Daniel story and that dream he interprets for the king, where the statues that represent the different empires, and eventually it all gets knocked over and becomes the mountain of the Lord. And I was thinking about that, like, maybe we should at some point in this series, walk the church through. Imagine that day when the United States is gone. And even saying that people are like, well, no, we're going to be here until Jesus comes back because we are the new Jerusalem or whatever people might think. But to just encourage people, stop thinking apocalyptically about our current moment and maybe just open yourselves up to the fact that one day all the things that seem to matter so much about the direction of our country that it won't matter at all, because our country will be gone and replaced by who knows who, whether it's in 300 years, 1,000 years, three years, who knows? But when that day comes, will the faith that we have today have mattered? You know, will it hold up? Will people be able to read your journals from your quiet time in the morning and say that still is right? Because it's unattached from our current moment in the way that we're not putting our hope in our current moment, but in something that transcends that. You know, I don't know if people would be offended by that idea that one day the us is gone, but. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Well, I mean, think about references in Scripture. You talked about the temple earlier, Solomon's temple. That was the thing. We finally did it. We finally had David the king. We've got Solomon the king. We built the temple. We did the whole thing. The presence of God now lives with us in this place. And then Jesus came and was like, that thing's gonna be razed to the ground. And everybody was like, kill him now. Never could. Never happen. But of course, even it's funny, because the psalms are the way that they are, or the proverbs or these stories. They are not in reference into bowing down before the deification of a human leader. They are the journals that you're talking about that have stood the test of time. And of course, Jesus words in and of themselves. That's why. That's why. Because they weren't every dollar in the middle of the table toward it's David or bust. [00:48:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:06] Speaker A: And that's it. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Yeah. It reminds me of the moment where Nehemiah is, like, going to rebuild the walls and they're looking at the ruins of the temple, and the prophet says, the glory of the latter, the later temple is going to be better than the former. And they just start weeping because there's no way. The former temple was glorious. What we have now we will have is terrible in comparison to that. And it points to, stop putting your hope in these bricks. Stop putting your hope in these leaders. Our hope has to be all the way in the camp of the kingdom that is coming and the king of that kingdom. And I think anytime we put our hope in less than that, we're setting ourselves up for sadness. [00:48:53] Speaker A: It requires a certain amount of humility to believe that something could come that's greater than you or your moment or your leader or your leadership. And it's. I mean, funny enough, this manifested itself, I think, in baseball and our culture more than anything else outside of politics, when Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs. The New York Yankee and then Roger Maris had a couple extra games, and the Yankee fans even kind of hated him, but he hit 61. But then ultimately, Babe Ruth had hit 714 home runs over his career, and Hank Aaron, a black man, was on the verge of hitting 7:15. And it was everything. It was racism. It was the deification of a man named Babe Ruth. And the idea that you could come in and there are. There's letters that were written to Hank Aaron Haight, letters that were about, how dare you attempt to destroy, like, the American institution that is. Baby, this is about home runs. Like, who cares? But we worship at the feet of this thing that we feel like should be the final arrival of everything that we have ever hoped for. And God continues to plod through this life with us as things continue on. And then people hit more home runs, and teams come and go, and. Yeah, we are so prone to that. We want that so bad. We want our era to be the best or most important and impactful, and it's just not how it works. [00:50:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Well, I wasn't going to use the. That baseball reference. I'm glad you did, because I was thinking about it, but I didn't. [00:50:31] Speaker A: Underdogs. You know, Hank Aaron had 715. [00:50:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to 75. Yeah, 75 for sure. Yeah, that was what I was going to say. [00:50:39] Speaker A: I can recite for you. [00:50:41] Speaker B: I can tell the. [00:50:43] Speaker A: The call on the radio from Vin Scully the night that he hit 7:15. I can. I can say it. I won't do it. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Say, yeah. [00:50:51] Speaker A: That's how sick I am. [00:50:56] Speaker B: I can't imagine by myself watching a baseball game start to finish. [00:51:06] Speaker A: On tv. [00:51:06] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, because of social stage, like, in a group. Absolutely. You're watching a game. It's. I can't imagine all by myself. Like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna watch an entire baseball game. [00:51:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:51:18] Speaker A: It's. So this is the. I don't know. [00:51:20] Speaker B: I know. I'm sorry, Ben. I don't want to break your heart. [00:51:23] Speaker A: I get it. I get. I get how people feel about baseball. Baseball's music, though. It's not a movie. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Baseball is music. Says the guy. Okay, let me continue More than anything. [00:51:39] Speaker A: But you don't sit down. There are some people in this life that go, I got the new whatever album. I'm gonna go to my room and listen to it. And you're kinda like, okay, those people are funny. Why don't you just put it on your car the next time you go for a drive? That's me. I'm gonna go into my room and listen to the album. Guy. Baseball's best done, though, as, like, ambiance. And being in the room with you, it's like a partner. It's not. It's not something you sit down and stare at, like football. [00:52:07] Speaker B: That's fair. Yeah, I get that. [00:52:09] Speaker A: So a lot of people should not be sitting down and watching a game all by themselves. I wouldn't prescribe that. Unless it's a playoff game in which I might lock myself in a room since the Mariners made the playoffs and. And just wallow in whatever emotions I'm feeling at the moment. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Well, I'm not judging you for liking baseball. [00:52:29] Speaker A: No. [00:52:29] Speaker B: No. I just. I can't. I can't imagine. I can't imagine being you. It's so far. I'm not that strong. [00:52:37] Speaker A: Is there anything that entertainment that you participate in that would be that far off the beaten path? Probably not. [00:52:43] Speaker C: Huh. [00:52:43] Speaker B: To where, like, the day it comes out, I'm like, I have to. [00:52:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:48] Speaker B: I don't think so. Right. [00:52:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:51] Speaker A: Lindsay? Anything? [00:52:56] Speaker D: No, I don't think so. [00:52:58] Speaker A: Did you guys ever stand in line to get something. [00:53:02] Speaker B: New? [00:53:03] Speaker A: IPhone in the early years? Gaming console. No gaming console for you. You weren't there for the PlayStation 3 launch. [00:53:11] Speaker D: No, not me. Shocking, I know. [00:53:13] Speaker B: But no, no, I've never waited overnight in a line for anything. [00:53:19] Speaker A: Concert tickets. [00:53:20] Speaker B: No. [00:53:22] Speaker C: Hmm. [00:53:22] Speaker A: I've been in several lines this week. What does that say about me? Ticketmaster, lines online. [00:53:32] Speaker D: No, no, I get out of there so fast. [00:53:34] Speaker A: No, you guys don't get on there and you're trying to get tickets for the concert thing and you gotta wait. [00:53:41] Speaker B: Okay. The closest thing to that level of commitment, I used to drive down to San Diego to buy guitars. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Okay. [00:53:48] Speaker B: So maybe that's the closest I would get is to like. I mean, that's a multi day, you know. [00:53:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Thing. [00:53:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:56] Speaker A: But the thing that I get still because of baseball and I'm really glad of this is I get appointment television that I talk about with people during and after. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: Because nobody else does that anymore. It's all streaming. [00:54:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:08] Speaker A: And so I do get that, like, I have to sit down at 1:05 this afternoon. To watch the beginning of the game. And I appreciate. I like that about me. [00:54:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:17] Speaker A: That I still have that. [00:54:18] Speaker B: And people. People love it. People love talking about it. And it's kind of like. I know Josh Cordell has been wearing different jerseys every day from teams that he's not fans of, but just because it creates conversations. [00:54:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:30] Speaker A: He specifically wore a Jerome Kersey Blazers jersey the other day, which is super niche. And I'm in on it. [00:54:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:54:39] Speaker B: And you had a conversation and I had a conversation with this. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Of course. No, it was very smart. You're absolutely right. [00:54:43] Speaker B: So, yeah, maybe I'll. Jerseys will be my new thing. Can you imagine? [00:54:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:49] Speaker B: No one will see that and be like, ah, he's trying too hard. No, of course not. On a Sunday. [00:54:56] Speaker A: You should. [00:54:57] Speaker B: Please. [00:54:57] Speaker A: You should it like super bowl time. [00:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Go. Don't do that. [00:55:02] Speaker A: Never mind. [00:55:03] Speaker B: That's those cringy laughs I. I tend to get. [00:55:06] Speaker A: Lindsay and Evan. Just go for it. [00:55:07] Speaker D: We start wearing jerk. [00:55:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:12] Speaker A: What is going on? [00:55:13] Speaker B: So weird, guys. [00:55:14] Speaker A: I would, like, cry tears of pride. [00:55:17] Speaker B: It's fun. [00:55:18] Speaker A: I actually like that you guys aren't into it. I appreciate the balance, cuz. [00:55:23] Speaker C: Sports. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Sports people are a lot, man. They're a lot. [00:55:25] Speaker C: They are. [00:55:25] Speaker B: That's what I've been saying my whole life.